No Wii Can’t: The lack of games for Nintendo Wii

No Wii Can’t

What’s going on with the Nintendo Wii? Not since the original Nintendo Entertainment system has the company had a console that could be considered the ultimate Trojan horse. Everyone’s got one. EVERYONE HAS A WII. Which defies all logic because it keeps selling hand over fist. Then why is Nintendo happy not enforcing that they are the ultimate in videogame entertainment?

My partners here at TrueGameHeadz love to refer to Nintendo as printing money. Which quite frankly they can. The Nintendo DS and Wii are runaway financial successes for the company, but at what cost? They have all but squandered an opportunity to introduce “revolutionary” games to match their revolutionary control scheme.

Take a look at the now hundreds of title strong (soft) library of Wii games. You’ll notice what should be quite alarming. They have 6 titles that would be considered above a reviewed 9 rating and two of them are Game Cube ports, 3 of them are simple sequels and only 1 is a true revolutionary experience. Those titles are, Legend of Zelda: The Twilight Princess (GC), Resident Evil 4 (GC), Metroid Prime 3 (sequel), Super Smash Brothers (sequel), Mario Kart Wii (sequel) and the only revolutionary title Super Mario Galaxy.

If that aint enough for you, they’ve also announced that they aren’t releasing any new games outside of Animal Crossing this year!

But yet the system keeps selling. How do you explain it? The much talked about Virtual Console pre-launch has now come to “full realization”. We have numerous re-thread classics that we can go back and play if we’ve not already experienced on other consoles. But wait! Didn’t you hear about the vaunted Wii Ware lineup of games that would round out the experience? My either.

There are 24 WiiWare titles and can only be described as time wasters. The one with promise Lost Winds was a really nice experience that had people saying screw Lil Big Planet. But for realz has this new offering of games not been a let down?

People are quick to point out that XBOX Live Arcade didn’t have anything worth its salt when it launched. Which was true 3yrs ago! But in it’s formative years it had, Geometry Wars, Cloning Clyde, Small Arms, Assault Heroes, Alien Hominid, Pac Man Championship edition, Prince of Persia Classic (Which is how you should re-release a game) and not to mention the string of hits that has been coming since Jun 07.

While we are on the subject of online connectivity. Let’s talk about Nintendo’s still reluctant commitment to online. I get it that they want people to play with each other in the same living room. But that’s just not feasible in this day and age, where most people have moved to outlying places and just don’t have sleepovers anymore ;-)


Why is it that I have to wait 15mins and keep trying over and over to get a fight in Super Smash Bros? Oh yeah that’s right it’s one of the few games online and everyone is playing it at the same time.

I was one of those gamers who got the Wii on day one in 2006, thinking about the promise that this new control scheme would bring. Who knew the pack-in Wii Sports title would be the pinnacle of what it could be? Nintendo continues to frustrate 3rd party developers by with holding things that they would like to use to make better games. First Mii support (remember them) and then most recently the peripheral that allows for greater 1 to 1 support for games such as the upcoming Star Wars Lightsaber Duels.  But I digress.

For a company that has so much history and innovation I for one wish that it would stand up and deliver. I grew up playing memorable games on the NES and sometimes I wish that they would create a new era of games and not rely so heavily on their re-threads. Give me a new lead character; I don’t want another Mario game right now. Give me a new adventurer; I’m tired of saving Zelda. Is that too much to ask?

But when sales start slowing you know what will happen right? No that’s not when we’ll get great new titles. We’ll start getting bundles of old games with… yep you guessed it, Candy Colored Wii’s!

Viva La Revolucion!!! - DaveDaGamer

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44 Responses to “No Wii Can’t: The lack of games for Nintendo Wii”

  1. unit on September 1st, 2008 8:00 pm

    You do have some points, and once again it’s the case of nintendo is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. 3rd parties were complaining left and right that their (nintendo) games sell more than there’s. So nintendo released no/few new titles for a while. And what happened? 3rd parties released and still release crap after crap. Miyamoto said himself that 3rd parties need to stop putting thier C teams on wii games or make rushed ports. They need to put their A and B teams on game development, in which they don’t.

    Why does nintendo always have to show how to make a good game on it’s own system? Dev’s rather spend more time and money on making their games look pretty with shiny skins and dirty realistic textures while still giving you mediocre games (too human,assains creed, kayne&lynch etc..). But the hardcore gamers are eating’em up left and right. The wii is still a joke and not taken seriously by a large part of the gaming industry. And that’s the problem. if it weren’t we wouldn’t have to rely on only nintendo to make great games.

    And you say metroid isn’t revolutionary yet it has the best controls outta any console fps (even medal of honor has it!), it’s right up there with the mouse (which is the best for fps’s), but because it doesn’t have online or you can’t count the extra grains of dirt on the ground it doesn’t count lol!

    And as far as mii support goes, more and more dev’s are using them. but you wouldn’t know cuz you don’t play wii games ;)

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  2. DaveDaGamer on September 1st, 2008 10:20 pm

    A. Metroid Prime can’t be the best because they just now are releasing 1 to 1 controls. And the best controls in your opinion. I know of many a “Professional” gamer that swear by dual analog.

    B. I mentioned Mii support because originally 3rd Parties were BANNED from using them. Which is what I said by not allowing 3rd parties to do what they want.

    C. Crap, Games? Nintendo’s games may control well, but tell me the last time any of them had a story worth anything? Don’t tell me Zelda’s or Metroid’s or Mario because they told those same stories in the first versions of those games.

    Tight controls are not the only factor in making a game. I agree that the Unreal Engine has ruined this generation of “Breakthrough games” because the majority of them look the same.

    You may not like Assassins Creed, but many people call the control scheme refreshing and revolutionary. *Spoiler Alert* IMHO they ruined that games story by letting you know it was all Virtual too early in the game.

    At least Too Human, Assasins Creed and Kane & Lynch are new IP’s that developers are trying to establish. They have sequels to work out the kinks. Nintendo does have Kinks because this is their 15th Mario, 13th Zelda, 10th Metroid, 8th Mario Kart… shall I go on?

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  3. UnitDaGamer on September 2nd, 2008 1:22 am

    if you were expecting deep and engrossing stories from any of nintendo’s games you were only kidding yourself, cuz in their history of games they were never about that. It was always fun gameplay and tight intuitive controls and they always delivered on that.(did you know that upcoming Halo Wars controls are based off of pikmin? The lead designer said that those were the best controls for a strategy game on a console to date) Miyamoto and several other nintendo devs stated time and time again how there game development goes,they figure out controls and gameplay first then everything else comes afterwards. the only games they make with deep ass stories is their fire emblem series.

    Plus you say a “story worth anything” as if you care about stories in games. Why did we go thru Army of two, Gears of war, Rainbow 6, halo3 etc? it sure wasn’t for that deep engrossing story now was it? if anything you should’ve finished MGS4 along time ago cuz that has a deep and engrossing story even if the game plays the same as it’s predecessors. MGS4 is the mother of all games you play for the story but yet you can’t bring yourself to finish it. The internet went on about how phat and crazy the story was in No More Heroes and i told you how hot it is but you won’t finish it . Or even go thru Lost odessey which has one of the best stories in a nex-gen game. Did you even finish Bio shock? which has a good story as well. you making a big stink over game “stories” makes no sense cuz those games had the stories to back up the gameplay yet you have no interest in them….shall i go on?

    And nintendo has made new ip’s, just none you’re interested in. remember they do make DS games too. lets not forget about this other system they have to support too themselves.

    And you’re right, controls aren’t the only factor in a game, it’s the gameplay too! cuz no matter how phat a story is, if the controls suck or the game isn’t fun, you aint playin that shit again. Are people playin GTA, call of duty 4,halo 3,gears of war cuz of the story? did you even care what the hell went on? say for GTA, those other games stories were about as thin as the stories in mario or the early zelda’s. Yes the wii does have it’s problems and it lies mostly with 3rd party developers. They’re not taking advantage of what they can do with the system.(nintendo has already proven they can make good games using motion controls that work). i can tell you this, i’ve had newer experiences with the wii than i have had with the x360 and ps3 itself hell i thought it was hot how EA made you control fight night with the anolog but the hardcore gamers shunned it cuz it was different…like i always say, the next true movement in gaming is gonna be how we interact with the game itself, not how many polygons or hd gfx’s a system can push.
    (case in point, rock band,guitar hero,wii sports, wii fit,etc) you better believe that with the next go round of systems they all will have motion controls.

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  4. eram on September 2nd, 2008 4:56 am

    I hate Wii . Nintendo is killing the game industry

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  5. Emmanuel on September 2nd, 2008 5:05 am

    You are a bit too hard on it, it’s just a Wii.I got it for playing just the games I have so far, like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Resident Evil 4, Wii Sports and the classics from the virtual console.
    That’s all it was aksed to do and it did, so quit hitting the Wii and rather askl where the

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  6. admeister on September 2nd, 2008 6:39 am

    Are you forgetting that Mario Galaxy is also a sequel? I have to say I agree with you, the Wii\\\’s lack of games is highly disappointing. I thought things were going to change after the Gamecube.

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  7. Blaster on September 2nd, 2008 7:15 am

    DaveDaGamer said:
    Metroid Prime can’t be the best because they just now are releasing 1 to 1 controls. And the best controls in your opinion. I know of many a “Professional” gamer that swear by dual analog.

    The truth is tha metroid has 1:1 controls and for me is better than a mouse, for fps the wii is the perfect console but is too bad that tird party\\\’s haven\\\’t notice it yet, dual anolog just plain suck, if you give metroid3 and medal of honor heroes2 a chance you will wish you never had to deal with analog controls, but the again no many fps are made for the wii, I still hope that to change in 2009 with the conduit and call of duty 5.

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  8. DaveDaGamer on September 2nd, 2008 8:52 am

    I must’ve touched a nerve for UnitDaGamer because he’s spewing ludicrousness! First of all if you go back and read the article you’ll see that I’ve giving the Wii props for being innovative with their control set up. Second of all, you will also see this article is about lack of new and innovative games. So your rant about Pikmin and attacking all of the other million plus sellers in the game industry is hollow.

    You mentioned finishing games. My reason for finishing or not finishing games are my own. I’ve gotten up to the very last boss in every one of the games you’ve mentioned and not beaten them. What does that matter? I’ve experienced all the game has to offer.

    Beating a game does not satisfy me. That says nothing of how good a game is. I have waaaaaaay too many games to get caught up on beating each one. A game isn’t all of a sudden going to have the best ending EVAR all of a sudden. Quite frankly the Endings of games are usually the worst part. But that’s for another article.

    You mention MGS:4, doesn’t Nintendo wish devs were making games like that for their system? It sounds counter-intuitive to not do it for a system that’s selling millions doesn’t it? There has to be things going on that the general public doesn’t know. I say it’s Nintendo’s stubborness with devs and you say, Devs are just silly for not doing it. Hmmm something smells fishy.

    “Blaster”
    The thing about Metroid 3 is that I got tired of the series. The first one was phenomenal (a great fps, done not by Nintendo I might add) the second one was too difficult, and by the third one I felt like I’ve played the game already.

    Now you’ve noticed that I’ve gone through the three Halo’s. “Why did we go thru Army of two, Gears of war, Rainbow 6, halo3 etc?” Why? Literally because I played em with someone else ONLINE. (How many Nintendo Wii games can you do that with?) That’s what made those games for me. I played through all of them with a friend, and the third Halo is where they finally got it right and didn’t use dual Master Chiefs. Halo 3 has so much going for it as far as re-playability and use of online features such as forge, taking screens of your play or re-watching the whole thing from different angles, it’s silly to talk about. So I won’t.

    What does Pikmin’s controls have to do with the Wii?

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  9. DaveDaGamer on September 2nd, 2008 9:05 am

    Also,

    Let’s not forget that I’m talking about the Wii as a platform. What gives with it’s Virtual Console and WiiWare service? Are you telling me that the Wii can’t run the remakes of Bionic Commando, 1942, Commandos3, Street Fighter etc? Is that really the case? Because if it is it’s sad that the arcade games suffer as well.

    That can be seen as a major breeding ground for some interesting titles.

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  10. dib8rman on September 2nd, 2008 11:20 am

    It comes’ back to three things; Nintendo is the market leader and makes the highest selling software, the production end market values aren’t Nintendo’s markets values and finally time.

    Nintendo didn’t become the market leader overnight, Shigeru Miyamoto over sees most Major Nintendo software before production usually within EAD’s 1 ~3 and Tokyo. These groups develop the titles that have sold millions, the reason for this is because the production end market on that side is larger and quite proprietary. (Nintendo games sell on Nintendo consoles.)

    Being market leader places a position on Nintendo; speaking strictly about software here, Nintendo’s hardware will be sold in compliment to its software but with such a rapidly rising install base, 3rd parties values from the PS2/3 and Xbox/360 production market end doesn’t match Nintendo’s (this is wrong by the way, they should be eyeing themselves not the new market and not the new values and definitely not both). The key difference lay with the developers; to that end I could safely call the most verbose enthusiasts of anti-Wii mantra within the development community technologists, as they all refer to technology as a foundation in referring their disdain towards development on the Wii, even then the whole blame falls in that developers lap, the business men/women involved are responsible for assuring the client receives his/her end result. Creativity and that the developer must fulfill the clients desired result are all on the shoulders of the creative director, instead developers make games that they think are good and businesspeople produce games that are cool and the result is the current production market satisfying itself. It’s no wonder the key talking point is how backwards the Wii is and how amazing HD graphics are by the average consumer, that’s because that person wants to feel more involved than just a consumer within the industry because the industry is cool.

    “Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.”

    Nintendo’s EAD since the G&W under the banner of Shigeru Miyamoto hasn’t released as many games as people seem to believe, considering this is over a 30 year period. Many of the games we know and enjoy were actually developed by Capcom, Squaresoft/Enix, Tecmo and many others just with major Nintendo franchise names to cover them up. There was even a major commercial recognition for Zelda: The Phantom Hour Glass, as it was the first handheld Zelda in a while to be made by Nintendo.

    Being market leader has forced Nintendo into a position where they can’t yet enforce the old licensing clauses so instead they will release information about their games within a short while before the game is actually on shelves.

    I could go on but I suppose this is tiring enough as is.

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  11. DanteUY on September 2nd, 2008 11:40 am

    I totally agree with you.
    First of all, I have to point out Ive been playing VG like forever. Im 29 now and I remember when my dad played Pong at home.
    Ive had every console that came out since Atari 2600, and I cant tell you how much fun I had with my NES and SNES (to name the best things Nintendo ever did). But (theres always a but), Im really pissed off at the Big N. Why? Because they keep lying to their fans. Promising stuff that never happens, selling a dream to kids and old timers alike. A fantasy.
    The Wii, in my opinion, is a flop. Same as the N64 and the GC. Of course not in the numbers, but for the videogames industry and the gamers.

    It sells because its \

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  12. DanteUY on September 2nd, 2008 11:45 am

    I totally agree with you.
    First of all, I have to point out Ive been playing VG like forever. Im 29 now and I remember when my dad played Pong at home.
    Ive had every console that came out since Atari 2600, and I cant tell you how much fun I had with my NES and SNES (to name the best things Nintendo ever did). But (theres always a but), Im really pissed off at the Big N. Why? Because they keep lying to their fans. Promising stuff that never happens, selling a dream to kids and old timers alike. A fantasy.
    The Wii, in my opinion, is a flop. Same as the N64 and the GC. Of course not in the numbers, but for the videogames industry and the gamers.

    It sells because its “cool”, but what does it offers? Ill answer that: Exactly the same N64 and Gamecube did before it. A bunch of Mario, Zelda and Metroid games. That is it.
    Games that are exactly the same as their first NES counterparts, but with a new painting.
    Third party support? Same story, nonexistent, unless you consider the hundreds of crappy stuff that lazy money hungry developers are throwing at us.
    When Resident Evil 4 (a GC game) , Okami (a PS2 game), Mario Galaxy, Metroid 3 and Zelda TP (3 “same ol.same ol” games) are the Top games of Wii, you have to know something is not right.
    I mean, How many “real” games do we have? 3? 4?
    Its hillarious.
    I bought it on launch day and to be honest, we played it (my wife and me) for about a week at first, and then it became a dust collector. Now its there, on its box, waiting for the next family reunion so it can entertain the kids (who loves it, just because the TV says its cool).
    Me? My wife? We will keep spending our gaming hours ONLINE (how Nintendo is avoiding this is beyond me) and/or with some shinny new real games (LBP, Resistance, Gears 2, to name a few Sep/Oct sure buys for us) on our PS3 and/or 360.

    As I said, I totally agree with you. And after writting this, Im even more pissed at Nintendo.

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  13. Andy Anonymous on September 2nd, 2008 12:12 pm

    I think you probably don\\\’t pay much attention to Wii game announcements, and you ought to. With games like The Conduit, Cursed Mountain, Kizuna and a few others — games that look not only to have core gamer appeal but also appear (in the case of the latter two) to be very unique — the third party situation on Wii is really looking up.

    This article would have been more timely, say, two months ago.

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  14. DaveDaGamer on September 2nd, 2008 12:21 pm

    Hey Andy, None of those games you mentioned are coming out this year. If you didn’t read that as well. But yet the Wii is still selling, how come people don’t wait till they come out to buy one?

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  15. Seiji on September 2nd, 2008 12:28 pm

    It´s a simple answer, u know? You dont know why the wii sells so much because you are a “hardcore gamer”. Because you play the 99% of the time alone. The point is, Nintendo is selling the wii to all the whlo world, not only to you, and the hardcore gamers. And the other world have childrens, try this: take a “bad, kiddy game” like wario ware, and play it with kids of 6-12 yo. It´s a lot of stupid fun.

    Nintendo is doing what they say, they are selling FAMILY fun. If you want to be a hardcore gamer, just buy a PS3, or a 360. Why do you have a wii?

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  16. Bob* on September 2nd, 2008 12:39 pm

    Oh dear God. Another “boo hoo I don’t have 100 games at month on my wii boo hoo” pseudo-article. They already said it yo you but I’ll do it again:

    1) you’re a HARDCORE gamer. For you, if a console doesn’t have 1000 games per week the console is doomed.

    2)you’re a HARDCORE. Stories in videogames are not important! Videogames are not like movies or books! They are not a narrative medium. THEY ARE NOT ART! they are VI-DE-O-GAMES! GAMES!

    3)The wii keeps selling not because it has thousands of games but because it makes people smiile,. It makes people have fun. That’s why it’0s wortth the money. More than a HD console that will play games once and then being forgotten.

    Your whining is pathtic. I am getting tired of articles like these. The wii is winning. Nintendo was right. We didn’t.

    Get. Over. It.

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  17. DaveDaGamer on September 2nd, 2008 12:57 pm

    Um why do I have to be a hardcore gamer if I want to play a GOOD Game?

    That statement is crazy. Since when has a hardcore gamer spoken about wanting “New Intellectual Property?” IP’s for short if you didn’t know.

    Most “HARDCORE” gamers play the same games into the ground, so by that fact they same repeated games on the Wii console should suit them just fine.

    I’m not talking about More Titles because the Wii has plenty of them. I’m talking about MORE GOOD TITLES that get a score over a 6.0

    Jeez some people I tell you. Can’t tell the difference between quantity and quality.

    Nintendo’s first party games ARE QUALITY, no one is disputing that. What I’m disputing is ORIGINALITY. Like I mentioned before they are on their 15th Mario game, 13th Zelda, 10th Metroid, come on now. READ before your BLAST!

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  18. Potaso on September 2nd, 2008 1:14 pm

    Look just because none of the Wii games coming out (3rd party wise) doesnt appeal to you (OP) DOESNT mean it doesnt appeal to everyone else.

    NO wii games? What the heck are you talking about. Sure 1st party wise its lacking this year because the best ALREADY came out. They are not Sony or Microsoft where they push one every year. Sorry its not Nintendo\\\’s style. They are working on a new Mario, Zelda and heck Pikmin 3. But lets not even go there… 3rd parties need to shape up not Nintendo. Nintendo has done their part for now.

    List of worthy 3rd party games

    1. Star Wars Force Unleashed
    2. Star Wars Clone Wars -exclusiive
    3. Skate It -exclusive
    4. The Conduit -exclusive
    5. Mad World- exclusive
    6. House of the dead over kill - exclusive
    7. Overlord - exclusive wii version/story
    8. Megaman 9
    9. Monster Hunter 3 - Exclusive
    10. Final Fantasy CB - Exclusive and hopefully we will hear something soon

    11. Guitar Hero World Tour - Even has dl content
    12. RockBand 2
    13. Samba De Amigo
    14. De Blob -Exclusive
    15. Mushroom Men Spore Wars - Exclusive
    16. Tales Of Symphonia - Exclusive
    17. Kizuna - Exclusive
    18. Dead Rising - Yes another port but with RE 4 controls and cheap price, count me in!!
    19. Sonic Unleashed
    20. Sonic and the Black Knight - Exclusive
    21. Tenchu 4 - Exclusive with the ORIGINAL directors from the 1st two games which rocked.

    Not to mention Wario Land Shake It (Amazing 2d experience)

    and Finally Animal Crossing and Fatal Frame 4 and Disaster Day Of Crises from Nintendo

    That is 21 \\

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  19. DaveDaGamer on September 2nd, 2008 1:26 pm

    hey potaso,
    I love when someone tries to bring a knife to a gunfight. You’ve already lost the debate, almost all of the titles mentioned are ports or not coming out this year. The “exclusives” are watered down versions of other games that devs aren’t putting AAA level support towards. Yeah that’s the developers fault, but as a consumer why still by the Wii if the games are gonna be subpar. I’m not the one reviewing the games and they still get low scores. As for the next mario zelda pikmin I’m not gonna repeat myself

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  20. dib8rman on September 2nd, 2008 1:37 pm

    You don\\\’t have to be Hardcore to want a good game… you have to be Hardcore to know what a good game is. Perception and predisposition, rest assured that time will tell, and boy will it have stories. Five years from now maybe ten I wonder what people in the gaming industry will look back and think…

    I’ll take this post and clarify myself a bit on the above post – video games are not technology; I of course mean they aren’t made in the same perception as technology, when that changes we have technologists being game designers. Video games are entertainment, which is why a comedian can make a funny video game. To clarify that sentence I don’t literally mean a comedian but the forte of a comedian, perhaps a game that shares symmetry to a comedic style.

    Of course I’m only debunking the graphical dispute; I should of made that clear – but I’m just saying that the games that the HD Twins are promoting this year are mainly technology driven and for the most part do not entertain a seasoned gamer like myself as much as watching paint dry, the two share remarkable similarities though as both events are one dimensional. Mean while I’m enjoying screens of many games scheduled to be released this year on the Nintendo format. (I could name a few per your request.) Yet I’m ignorant or share none of the interest with my hardcore counterparts for the PS360 lineup.

    Of course this is all in anecdote but listening to the responses now the impression is that this isn’t the correct place to be speaking out of anecdote.

    To be quite honest, using myself as an example and again as I understand all responses should be in the format of anecdote: I do not own and Xbox360 but I am totally oblivious to it’s software lineup outside of the major announcements such as Too Human, Halo Wars, Fable 2 and Saints Row – none of which appeal to me, I own a PS3 and I’m enjoying The Borne Conspiracy at the moment but that is the seventh game I’ve bought for it since the first launch of the 80gig last summer. Currently I’m playing Brawl (I lost a tournament so I’m training), Zelda:TP (again) and Mario Kart Wii , I also own over 35 games for the Wii and have beaten most of them except Alien Syndrome(sucks) and We Love Golf (haven’t gotten to it).

    By the way the above paragraph was probably totally useless as it’s all in anecdote.

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  21. 2.o on September 2nd, 2008 1:57 pm

    The Wii feels more and more like a missed opportunity every day. Dont get me wrong, I love the VC, even though there is a bit to be left desired there, the retail and WiiWare releases seem dumbed down, targeting a more “casual” user base. Stop and think where the system would be if Wii Sports was never released, and then stop and think where the industry would be if that game never came out.

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  22. potaso on September 2nd, 2008 2:04 pm

    so

    Mad world watered down?
    The Conduit (with 16 player online with voice chat and LAN support) Watered down!?

    Monster hunter 3 not AAA?

    Buddy go sell your wii now.

    You are proof in the pudding that gamers need to STOP thinking only for themselves.

    Again, you may not like that list fine. sell your wii to someone who will appreciate that list!

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  23. dib8rman on September 2nd, 2008 2:06 pm

    Also this is aimed for DaveDaGamer, what happens on December 31, 2008?

    Does the world end? Does the gaming industry stop existing in a sudden burst as quite as circuitous as the proverbial tree fallen in a forest and yet as sudden as a pure accident?

    Your argument is now “You should not buy a Wii because the new games won’t come out for another 7 months!” Now I’m wondering about your credibility, maybe the credibility of this site. I have a sinking feeling I gave this site one free hit too many now.

    My question to you is: If a person buys a Wii on September 2, 2008 does that mean they automatically have played fully all the games before September 2, 2008?

    “Oh but what about the ones who have owned a Wii since launch dib8rman!? We have played those games fully!”

    My response to that pending question is of course: Tough luck, buy a PS3 like I did and enjoy the best of both worlds. I own 35+ Wii games I own 7 PS3 games, I do not go back to play FolkLore or Heavenly Sword or even CoD4 but I do go back and play Zelda:TP.

    Rationalization is an amazing tool use it and you can acquire experience that is logically conclusive and beyond that given by emotion, this may even lead to patience, which to you and everyone receiving it; in itself is a wonderful virtue.

    -Insert wasted click here

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  24. DaveDaGamer on September 2nd, 2008 2:08 pm

    From now on I will Mark as Spam posts that make no sense to the thread.

    How would Mad World be watered down, when it is not a port? Hmm Potaso? Or was I referring to watered down “exclusive” ports?

    And when are the games coming out? 2009, last I checked there are still 4 months left in 2008 and those games are NOT coming out in January either.

    What are you playing until then?

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  25. DaveDaGamer on September 2nd, 2008 2:13 pm

    In response to dib8rman if the Wii’s release cycle were so compelling, then why so many games get below 6’s in ratings? Why no mention of that? You claim you have 35+ Wii titles why are you going back to play Zelda: TP? (A LAUNCH TITLE IN 2006!!!) Don’t you have 34 others you can play?

    But you chose to focus on the too few shining titles to scream at the top of your lungs “THIS IS WHY I LOVE NINTENDO” when the other dreggs stuff your shelf.

    What’s up with that?

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  26. DanteUY on September 2nd, 2008 2:18 pm

    “HARDCORE”

    I still remember when we used to use that word to refer to a pro player or a guy who HAS to get every coin-ring-emmerald, secret and/or easter eggs on a game to feel satisfied.

    I even considered myself hardcore once. Now it seems every REAL gamer who likes REAL games (AKA games that costs some actual work to be made) is a “hardcore gamer”.

    People that stands for Nintendo are blind, or doesnt want to see the truth. Truth is, Nintendo is not giving us enough games simply because they are making A LOT OF MONEY selling trash as Wario Ware and such.

    I get it if it is a nice toy to our children, but dont come and tell 10 games is ENOUGH, and Im not talking about 100000 games. Im talking about same games thats been around for like 20 years, over and over and over.

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  27. sumguy63 on September 2nd, 2008 2:33 pm

    LOL. Your Complaining about Originality/sequels. Did you play DMC, GTA, PGR, GT, Halo, COD, or Madden? Are you looking forward to SFIV, RE5, or Gears 2 cause I believe all of those are sequels. Not trying to flame but I don\\\’t understand your argument. If people enjoy playing sequels (most longtime gamers seem to want to) how exactly is that a problem. BTW, Disaster Day of Crisis is coming and has been dated Oct 24 in Europe. See an New IP from Nintendo.

    If Developer hate Nintendo\\\’s Online strategy so much they could always host their own servers. But that would actually require work which it seems no one is willing to put in on the Wii.

    The games that don\\\’t score over 6.0 AREN\\

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  28. dib8rman on September 2nd, 2008 2:38 pm

    Dave, I can\’t honestly play everyone one of those games when I feel like it, I have to pick and choose which one I can play, their are only 24 hours in the day and 4 of them to which I can a lot time to play, obviously I\’m constantly buying new Wii games, I\’ve owned my Wii for around 13 months now, that roughly 2.5 games a month, your viewing my play habits through a bottleneck, think rationally for a moment.

    Also I’m not screaming anything, perception and predisposition, that is the mantra of the journalist time and time again, I understand that but opinion pieces shouldn’t be viewed through a bottleneck.

    Yes Zelda:TP did come out in 2006 but hey, guess what, that’s what I’m replaying and it’s quite an amazing game, is it wrong for me to have fun with an amazing game from 2006 and reference as a game I’m having fun with in 2008 that’s from 2006? I believe it’s wrong for you to tell me that it’s wrong to have fun with my video games. If that’s truly what this entire article is about then wow, well played.

    If your going to be chanting about quality efficiency then chew on this, almost 3 weeks ago I was replaying SSX:Blur, and before that you say? Well my gaming habits are really none of your concern so I’ll stop. (Actually I believe I was stuck on Brawl)

    As for the Metacritic issue, the fad of using Metacritic to judge a game without playing it yourself is meant for the casual gamers, real gamers know that you have to use Gamefly or back in the day Block Buster, try it out and then decide. Casuals want to know what other casuals think of the game.

    ^ I did that paragraph for the lol’s.

    But honestly how can you take a number to grade “art”, see how well the Hardcore stance holds up to it’s own double standards? Games aren’t art although they can portray it from time to time. They aren’t made to be judged by that standard, games again aren’t technology and are not art, “so what are they?” Games I will respond.

    Also at the screaming thing, it does however seem that this article is yet another list of; “Why I hate Nintendo.”heh.

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  29. dib8rman on September 2nd, 2008 2:42 pm

    LOL @ DanteUY

    Yea I remember those days too, things started changing when more people started recognizing the internet gaming media as a source for referencing.

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  30. DaveDaGamer on September 2nd, 2008 2:52 pm

    dib8rman

    My response to your claim about playing TP - (below as a refresher) was my major fault with the Wii fans in general. You are pleased as punch to go back and play what I’ve already termed a “QUALITY” game in the 12th iteration of Zelda, instead of a new ip of a company trying to make something else like a Folklore or Heavenly Sword. Now I’m in no way putting those titles on the same par with Zelda, but why Zelda? Why has Nintendo basically re-hashed everything? And not ventured out? Bankable yes, intriguing? Only for a bit. You go back to that game because its a great game and the other 34 are not. It has nothing to do with your allotted game time, because “YOU” choose what to play. And by your account, you choose to play what is a Quality game, which is too far in between the next one. You could’ve easily said I go back and play Zak & Wiki, but you didn’t…

    dib8rman quote - “Oh but what about the ones who have owned a Wii since launch dib8rman!? We have played those games fully!”

    My response to that pending question is of course: Tough luck, buy a PS3 like I did and enjoy the best of both worlds. I own 35+ Wii games I own 7 PS3 games, I do not go back to play FolkLore or Heavenly Sword or even CoD4 but I do go back and play Zelda:TP.

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  31. dib8rman on September 2nd, 2008 3:47 pm

    Ha, ha when quoted that quote seems so out of context, especially when it wasn’t quoted properly.

    Anyway I’m happy about your retraction I really am but it’s too little too late. The reason why Zelda: TP was mentioned is simple, it’s what I’m playing now, the reason why I’m playing it is because it’s a great game.

    As for the old IP, new IP issue, who the heck do you think you are to decide when the world is ready to retire Mario!?
    shocking I know.

    I mean come on, Folk Lore was a new IP but nothing different from the concept of Brave Fencer Musashi, Heavenly Sword was simply Kratos gender bended with comic strip cut scenes. What the point of having a new name for the same old game?

    ^See that argument works both ways like it or not.

    Again video games are not art! You don’t need to have an Apollo every time.

    By the way I still go back from time to time and play FFT for my PSX or Legend of Legia.

    If the name bothers you so much just ignore it, like I said go buy a PS3 and enjoy those games too or even an Xbox360, I did and I enjoy the Bourne Supremacy as short as it was… If there are games on the PS3 or Xbox360 that you want but you own a Wii, sell the Wii and buy the HDTwin of your choice if need be. The point of gaming isn’t to take sides it’s to enjoy games!

    Oh and can you please respond on the rating issue because you went dead silent about it.

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  32. DaveDaGamer on September 2nd, 2008 4:11 pm

    dib8rman, you make fine arguments for the spirit of gaming. But you lose points in this discussion for the main reason of the article. Mentioning past games played on other systems do not apply.

    This discussion is about the number of Wii consoles sold because of an innovation in gameplay, yet the lack of titles that are truly innovating. Nintendo’s hit titles are throwbacks from yore. And you’ve done nothing to disprove that, if anything enforce it.

    As for the HD Twins, the articles on them are coming. Stay tuned. We have something to say on all consoles. We just picked the Wii first because it’s leading. I expect to hear the same vitrol of fans of the other consoles. But opening a discussion like this for debate may spur people to actually do something. As in make better games for tomorrow.

    As for the scores, I agree. A 6 to one person could be a 10 to another.

    But I can safely say that’s not the case with the “MAJORITY” of Wii titles. What consists of the majority? Split all the titles in half and add 1. Then you’ll have the majority.

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  33. dib8rman on September 2nd, 2008 4:40 pm

    Add-note: I didn’t lose anything:

    -Quoted from your article

    “grew up playing memorable games on the NES and sometimes I wish that they would create a new era of games and not rely so heavily on their re-threads.”

    - Quoted from your article

    The tool is called referencing you used it without losing point I suppose.

    In my tense I used example of those memorable games.

    Bzzt… try again!

    I’m happy you’re switching terminologies now, instead of using broad reaching generalizations like “all” your using “majority.” I’m going to still offer a conclusion on your recent deduction, no your still wrong, most of those games (crummy or not) are graded incorrectly, they should all be judged on if they can be played and the equipped facets of the job they are supposed to do. NOT if someone likes it or not, there is a fine line between the two and it is constantly crossed.

    Your also saying constantly in plain English that the hardware is innovative yet the software isn’t innovative, to quote the internet “I could take a crap in a box and call it innovation.” Software can become much more intuitive, but what is innovation!? You want new genre’s? Well buy Wii fit, you want new ways to play old genre’s? Then play Wii sports. Innovation is just a term used to describe the action not done before. But the way your using it, everything should be innovative, and that just isn’t possible, to many the Nintendo Wii isn’t innovative at all, it’s all perception.

    Before you write the Articles on the PS3 and 360 I’d just want to recommend you amend some wordings used above and not write from a bottleneck, I’d like to read the article for an enlightened view not from someone who wants to be my friend.

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  34. Ady on September 2nd, 2008 5:13 pm

    Wow. Your article is so poorly written and full of holes it’s untrue. How on earth did you get to a be a staff writer for a website?

    Let’s look at this one section at a time, shall we?

    “Take a look at the now hundreds of title strong (soft) library of Wii games. You’ll notice what should be quite alarming. They have 6 titles that would be considered above a reviewed 9 rating and two of them are Game Cube ports, 3 of them are simple sequels and only 1 is a true revolutionary experience. Those titles are, Legend of Zelda: The Twilight Princess (GC), Resident Evil 4 (GC), Metroid Prime 3 (sequel), Super Smash Brothers (sequel), Mario Kart Wii (sequel) and the only revolutionary title Super Mario Galaxy.”

    OK, since when does every single game that gets released for a console have to “be considered above a reviewed 9 rating”, (as you clumsily put it) in order to be good? Are not 7s and 8s also good games? And why are you basing your argument on average review scores anyway? Shouldn’t it be YOUR opinion of those games that matters? Also, the sequel complaint is hypocritical coming from ANYONE who then goes on to advocate games on other platforms. Last time I checked, titles such as GTA5, MGS4, Final Fantasy 12, Halo 3 etc etc were all sequels. Why is it everyone except Nintendo is allowed to sequel their games?

    “There are 24 WiiWare titles and can only be described as time wasters. The one with promise Lost Winds was a really nice experience that had people saying screw Lil Big Planet. But for realz has this new offering of games not been a let down?”

    Admittedly, there’s little on Wii Ware that piques my interest yet, but I’m not about to write off the initiative, particularly as it’s only just started up. Either way, I think it’s great the service exists at all, and I’m confident the games can only get better. I’d also like to know how on earth could you compare Lost Winds to LitteBigPlanet when the latter game hasn’t even been released yet? And who, except maybe the funny people in your head actually thought Lost Winds would be a LBP contender?

    “Nintendo continues to frustrate 3rd party developers by with holding things that they would like to use to make better games. First Mii support (remember them) and then most recently the peripheral that allows for greater 1 to 1 support for games such as the upcoming Star Wars Lightsaber Duels.”

    Rubbish. Nintendo released WM+ when it was ready and not a moment before. What on earth could it possibly have to gain by deliberately witholding something like WM+ from 3rd party companies? It’s reidiculous that anyone would even think this.

    “For a company that has so much history and innovation I for one wish that it would stand up and deliver. I grew up playing memorable games on the NES and sometimes I wish that they would create a new era of games and not rely so heavily on their re-threads. Give me a new lead character; I don’t want another Mario game right now. Give me a new adventurer; I’m tired of saving Zelda. Is that too much to ask?”

    It sounds to me like you’re deliberately seeing what you want to see. Nintendo has a number of new franchises that I shouldn’t even need to list because YOU as a so-called gamer should know about them. The same applies to your limited knowledge of the games available for the Wii itself. That you believe the machine has a “lack of games” shows you haven’t even attempted to dig into its library at all.

    There are a number of articles out there from 2-bit bloggers like yourself all bleating this kind of poorly researched, hyperbole-ridden garbage, but this is by far the worst I have encountered to date. I can only hope you look back at what you have written here one day and cringe with embarrassment . I also advise that next time, you get your mother to help you with some of the big words.

    You should be grateful I even took the time to show my justifiable contempt for your abortion of an blog.

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  35. DaveDaGamer on September 2nd, 2008 5:40 pm

    Such Vitriol from the internets. LOL. I’ll just not even comment besides that.

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  36. DanteUY on September 2nd, 2008 8:01 pm

    Thanks again, Im having a blast reading those wii-lover-novels.
    Clearly theres nothing else to them than the white shinny toy.
    Yes to everything everyone said, except the fact that Wii DO lack quality games(and dont come all Mario/Zelda/Metroid on me again, because thats excactly my point).
    Period.

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  37. dib8rman on September 3rd, 2008 9:17 am

    Vitriol?

    If that\’s in response to my statements then you haven\’t understood at all or you don\’t understand the intensity of that word.

    I\’m also unsure if DanteUY is your account as well made solely to attack persona\’s through instigation with no substance.

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  38. DanteUY on September 3rd, 2008 10:57 am

    Yes, I am a multi of Dave with the sole purpose of speaking his/my mind.

    Thats a new one.

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  39. DaveDaGamer on September 3rd, 2008 11:48 am

    dib8rman, Now what are you talking about?

    Vitriol def. - Bitterly abusive feeling or expression.

    Which was a response to Ady’s post.

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  40. dib8rman on September 3rd, 2008 2:29 pm

    DaveDaGamer -
    dib8rman, Now what are you talking about?

    Dib8rman -
    “If that\’s in response to my statements then you haven\’t understood at all or you don\’t understand the intensity of that word.”

    @ DanteUY
    That’s nice to know, do I redeem any points?

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  42. DaveDaGamerfriend on December 24th, 2008 3:52 pm

    Just face it man your not a console gamer any more. it happens some gamers grow out of console gaming.

    To see if you are a console gamer you have to be able to still be entertained by old school gaming ah al virtual console.Hell even a good game of joust on the atari or what ever platform it was ported to.

    Most console gamers don’t understand you guys because they have never been around such a isolationist gamer. You are now a PC gamer my friend or a professional gamer that sees gaming as work rather than a simple challenge wrapped in creativity.

    No matter how many games nintendo comes out with they will not satisfy you. I know this and you know this. Fess up you no longer like traditional console games you like the new hybrid PC/console games on the HD systems.

    Your bitterness is more at the fact that due to the Wii you may have less people to play with because hardly any one plays a PC game for offline play any more.

    Gaming is becoming your virtual club house instead of what it was. This is self destructive because when people grow out of gaming your games will lose relevance. I have tons of VC games that only the hardcore would play. Most of these games are only available legally by way of the Wii. Sure you can play them on PC but it’s not the same and you know it or maybe you wouldn’t because your not that deep into gaming.

    It’s really funny to see so many people scream in the face of nintendo’s success as HD gaming is causing many studios to shut down. If you guys where such devoted gamers you would see how bad things really are. Many creative people will leave gaming because of this a join the ranks of the movie makers. This will only hurt video games as only a few studio will have the balls to be actually creative now.

    Gaming was on a bubble due to 3rd parties artificially giving one company a monopoly. Now they are paying for this. Gamers like DaveDaGamer are the reason why HD gaming is not growing. They simply are not console gamers yet they are PC gamers using set top boxes. They are not hardcore casual or what ever…. there is only one name for them PC gamer.

    If you could go back to arguments from PC gamers over why wing commander was better than mario 3 you will see a parallel but where are all of these wing commander fans now…. They all argued the same thing yet why are those games no longer made? It’s simple PC gamer just want online play period… be it checkers or crysis. Oh yeah guys or men have to be able to bragg about the graphics… Gamers bragg about the art and the design… most HD games are over design to the approval of these Bragging gamers or PC like gamers.

    So while you are spelling doom for nintendo the industry better start look at who they are exactly catering to… If the gamer you are catering to does not care about 8-16 bit graphics and game play then you may have a problem on your hands… You are actually going for casual PC gamers that don’t usually buy what they praise.

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